Yesterday, a woman lost her child after a circumcision surgery. The child was 7 weeks old. There was much of a story on her blog through her pregnancy, birth and the child's short life. In the end he died. Anyone who has followed my blog for the last few years clearly understands where I stand on certain issues from vaccinating to birth to circumcision. These are my personal choices.
This is where many people fail in their efforts at having strong convictions: They lack thoughtfulness and humility. I stand by every single belief and decision I make. I also stand by your right to make your own decisions. My only hope is that you're making informed decisions. I have a friend who birthed one child in the hospital; had her second at a birthing center and then had a c-section on the third child because it was, in fact, necessary. I have an acquaintance who had her first baby at home and her second at the hospital because her life was in danger. I have friends who circ; who vax; who don't circ or vax; who choose to wait on vaxing.
My point is that, while it is good to stand by your convictions, you should not shove them down the throats of others. I often state my view if it's an appropriate time to do so or if I am asked. I listen to my friends and those I meet. I may politely present another side for them to consider. Then I move on because in the end their choices are their choices. No one should be condemned based upon these things. Quite frankly, in the grand scheme of things.. these are minor differences which do not decide the type of human you are; the type of mother, father, son, brother, sister, daughter or neighbor a person is. And those are the things that truly matter. What type of person you are determines what type of person you are and nothing else will determine that.. Not what medical choices you make.. Not whether you eat meat or don't.. Not whether you vaccinate or don't.
This poor woman lost her child and there are those who are anti-circ leaving nasty comments and emails for her!! For those I only ask: What is wrong with you that you'd do this to a grieving mother?!!! What kind of person are YOU? Most certainly I hope you don't call yourself a loving person or a caring person!
When you are loving, caring and kind, you set the reputation for others who believe as you do. When you are nasty, argumentative and hateful, you do the same. This poor mom contacted the Ellen Show telling how horrible the anti-circ community has been treating her. Don't you think that if this goes on Ellen's show, it will ruin the credibility of the cause itself? Who is going to listen after that? But whatever... all that matters right now is this mom and her baby.
Do you know how fast sound travels? It travels 340 meters per second. That is the equivalent of the length of 3 football fields per second!!! This is how fast and hard the words we speak impact another's heart! If, however, you're spreading your hatred through written comments, then consider that light travels at the speed of 700 million miles an hour and that is how fast and hard your hateful words are hitting her heart! How could you do that to a person, much less a grieving person?!
There is nothing wrong with this mother or the choices she made. But if you are participating in shattering her grieving heart with words traveling at those speeds, then I would suggest that your convictions and priorities are in the wrong place.

Let's work together to help this family:
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my heart breaks for this woman, and any others who have lost a child for whatever reason.
ReplyDeletethis is the most eloquent piece of writing i have seen from you, and certainly not what i expected. i didnt expect you to bash her (and im glad you didnt) but i did expect a lesson on why not to circ. while i was surprised to not find that, i am touched by the words you did write. what an amazing post :)
Mumma,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comments.
There is an appropriate time for everything. I saw some "anti-circ" people trying to be loving and kind and offering condolences while still trying to spread their message. Grossly inappropriate.
Thank you for your kind words on behalf of the family of Baby Joshua. In a world wide web, filled with hate messages to her, links to blogs about her, etc., it was nice to stumble across someone with opposing beliefs that has still retained a heart.
ReplyDeleteI have been the one moderating her blog, deleting hateful and hurtful things, so that the heart of my dear friend will be spared from more pain.
I am not pro-circ. I am not anti-circ. But kicking someone when they are down is just cruel. Thank you for helping curb some of the madness.
Carla Sue,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your kind comments. Although many (even my loyal readers) may consider my site to be an "anti" this or that site, it is not. It is soley a site to gain information in order to make an informed medical choice. In the end, the choice is a parent's whether I agree with the choice or not.
There are so many things which matter in this world. Some of these choices matter NOW but in the long-run.. in the grand scheme of things.. these are not things upon which joy, salvation or our epitaph will be based.
I've left a few comments on her blog in an effort to comfort in what little way I could possibly do. Nothing I say or do will mean much in the end, it's true. But one must try.
She should feel no guilt. People need to lighten up and mind their own business.
Michelle although I didn't have an opportunity to comment on your friend's blog, and in that situation I wouldn't, as someone who is firmly against circumcision I would offer an apology for those who treated her so harshly. And while I do not want to offer an excuse, I do want to provide you with some insight as to why so many people left these kind of messages. Based on your past posts, perhaps you're already aware of the position of most of those posters; but I'll still try and outline them as they contrast with what you've posted.
ReplyDeleteIt is our position that without actual medical need, the only person who should be making a decision on circumcision is the individual. As a routine matter, it is not the place of my parents to make a decision about that issue for me; nor is it my place to make a decision for my child. I personally (and many others) see this the same way most (perhaps all) in the US see FGM. Whether you or your readers agree or not is not the point; that is how most of those posters feel. And when you think about how you may feel if you read or hear about FGM occurring, that is how most of those posters feel when they read or hear about circumcision of a boy occurring.
But that doesn't justify the barrage of messages your friend endured. I certainly wouldn't have participated in that any more than I would have harassed an Egyptian or Indonesian parent whose daughter died shortly after her circumcision, despite how I feel about either act.
I agree that such an approach as you put it: "set[s] the reputation for others who believe as you do." Which is why it pains me to see posts like those that were on her blog. It's why when I (and most of us) discuss this issue (despite my firm position) wouldn't make such a post. Because not only do those posts set the reputation but they have greater impact then the good, constructive one.
You are right, there are so many things in this world that matter; too many for any one individual to handle. That is why each of us chooses a few good causes to work on, to try and improve the world. This is the cause I (and many others) have chosen to devote our time. And I (and others) will continue to work to educate parents and others until circumcision is stamped out of our society. Until boys can enjoy the same protection that girls now enjoy.
I don't believe it is a 'minor' issue.
I have no doubt that such a goal is probably beyond my lifetime but the more I (and others) work the closer we'll get, the better place this world will be. I personally won't stop until boys and girls enjoy the same protection on this issue.
So while I won't apologies for my (or their) position. I do apologies for the content of some of those posts, it disturbed me as much as the issue itself.
Joe,
ReplyDeleteI see that you and I agree on the matter. I do not think it's "minor" as in it doesn't matter at all. I do believe that it's important that people make informed decisions and that circumcision, as performed today, is a very dangerous, needless procedure which serves no useful purpose other than to line doctors' pockets.
I do not know the woman whose child has died. I never heard of her before yesterday afternoon, hours after her child died.
I do, however, know that she is under an unimaginable amount of grief. I do know that her grief is being made worse by people planning to protest her baby's viewing and funeral. These intactivists have demonized innocent parents and made her child into a martyr for their cause. It is shameful.
Michelle, It seems we might be more in agreement than I thought.
ReplyDeleteI have no doubt that she is suffering an unimaginable amount of grief. But I have seen and heard nothing about protesting a funeral. I have my ear pretty close to that community and I know of nobody who would do that.
I did see a discussion on Facebook about an Indiana group that was going to distribute information at the hospital. I think that is a wholly different thing from picketing the service. And while deeply apologize for some of the posts which (I only read a few before they were gone) went way too far, I am not sure that distributing information outside the hospital is shameful in the way those posts were or picketing a service (which never seemed to be discussed) would have been.
In any event, I hope that everyone can get past this awful moment and that things go smoothly for the parents today. It seems to me we are really on the same side of the fence here, remember all groups do have people who go too far but that doesn't define them.
I just read your post and think it's great. :) I agree with you 100%. I also wrote about this situation and how heartbreaking it is.
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I would like to point out though, that no one is or was planning on disrupting the little guy's funeral. That was just an ugly rumor that was getting thrown around. The mother has since said via twitter that she's been assured that that will not be taking place.
Kara,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the update. I hadn't checked tweets today (which is where I saw her contacting the Ellen Show).
Joe,
Thanks for all the input. Glad to know that this portion was a mistake. No one's funeral should be a stage for theatrics of any sort.
Michelle
"My point is that, while it is good to stand by your convictions, you should not shove them down the throats of others. "
ReplyDeleteWe shove our convictions down each others' throats with something we call "government". Congress decided in 1990s, finally, that circumcising girls is wrong and parents are not allowed to choose it for their daughters. I approve, except that Congress forgot the majority of the population, a little over half, the males and the intersexed. This is wrong. The Constitution requires equal protection of the law for all, even mere males.
"There is nothing wrong with this mother or the choices she made."
ReplyDeleteNo human being is her judge. Why are you judging her?
On the other hand, her choice to have her son circumcised was tragically wrong on several counts: The child was sick. It is contraindicated and medical malpractice to circumcise sick children. It is also a violation of human rights to circumcise sick or healthy children when it is not medically necessary to do so. What sex they happen to have been born is 100% irrelevant.
Truth must be told about this tragic death. The problem is with the medical malpractice, and the fact that telling the tragic truth cannot help but hurt the feelings of these grieving parents. Truth hurts sometimes. As adults we have to learn to bear the pain of it, so babies and children in the future won't have to bear the pain of adult refusal to confront and bear it now and protect them from it. Truth hurts. Don't let the pain of truth make you deny truth. That can only compound the pain for the future. Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
ReplyDeleteAfter parents grieve the loss of their child, sometimes some of them realize that it's not only and all about them and their pain. Sometimes they realize they have a unique opportunity to save other families from the unnecessary death and pain they suffered. Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) was started by a mother who lost her child to a drunk driver. Maybe someday Jill and Shawn will speak out against the horrendous medical malpractice of circumcising sick babies. That would take a lot of courage and a lot of compassion. Right now they need to grieve.
I do not need these things explained to me. I am quite educated on the matters of circumcision, vaccinating, breastfeeding, homebirthing, cloth diapering, eco-living, etc etc etc
ReplyDeleteIf you'll take note, this is a blog about primal mothering, is it not?
Do you do ALL of the natural things you should? Perhaps I could come to you and blast you for the horrors that I deem you to be committing against your own children the way that people are doing to Jill?
But I would never sink to that level.
Have a wonderful day.
P.S. One cannot compare MADD. No one was in her face telling her "see what you did you horrible mom.. YOU KILLED YOUR SON!!!" Surely that wouldn't have won anyone brownie points.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that saying about more flies with honey, yes????
Or Proverbs 15:1:
An answer, when mild, turns away rage, but a word causing pain makes anger to come up.